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		<title>By: Fay</title>
		<link>http://michelle.kasprzak.ca/blog/archives/108/comment-page-1#comment-3597</link>
		<dc:creator>Fay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michelle

I am really fascinated by this discussion â€“ and thanks to Robert for directing me to your site and the Smallweb blog.

I see the last post here is May 21 so am not sure whether it is relevant to add comments now.  And I really should be getting on with some work anyway!  But   can&#039;t resist adding a few thoughts.

I am really fascinated by the potential for creating and sustaining so many different kinds of communities whether they are thousands of miles apart or in the next street.

I realise I am already doing that with emails among my own family â€“ itâ€™s great when my sons and husband are in another country but it can also be an excellent way of communicating when they are in the next room! 

More formally, I am just starting to use another blog to explore the potential for making links between communities in my part of town (part of a multicultural network or as a friend Kimho Ip (http://www.kimhoip.com/) prefers to call it intercultural exchange).

But I also really like Robert&#039;s idea of the tenement network which may one day produce a community garden â€“ I know of several people who are already turning their backgreens into fantastic spaces. It could be great to create â€˜green corridorsâ€™ between all these different community gardens in the city ...

Lots more thoughts â€“ the human need to keep in touch â€“  the essential generosity of most bloggers.  So I agree with other comments here, that you don&#039;t need to filter your blogs for fearing of boring readers  â€“ though maybe that is because the technical ability to do that is simply beyond me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michelle</p>
<p>I am really fascinated by this discussion â€“ and thanks to Robert for directing me to your site and the Smallweb blog.</p>
<p>I see the last post here is May 21 so am not sure whether it is relevant to add comments now.  And I really should be getting on with some work anyway!  But   can&#8217;t resist adding a few thoughts.</p>
<p>I am really fascinated by the potential for creating and sustaining so many different kinds of communities whether they are thousands of miles apart or in the next street.</p>
<p>I realise I am already doing that with emails among my own family â€“ itâ€™s great when my sons and husband are in another country but it can also be an excellent way of communicating when they are in the next room! </p>
<p>More formally, I am just starting to use another blog to explore the potential for making links between communities in my part of town (part of a multicultural network or as a friend Kimho Ip (<a href="http://www.kimhoip.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kimhoip.com/</a>) prefers to call it intercultural exchange).</p>
<p>But I also really like Robert&#8217;s idea of the tenement network which may one day produce a community garden â€“ I know of several people who are already turning their backgreens into fantastic spaces. It could be great to create â€˜green corridorsâ€™ between all these different community gardens in the city &#8230;</p>
<p>Lots more thoughts â€“ the human need to keep in touch â€“  the essential generosity of most bloggers.  So I agree with other comments here, that you don&#8217;t need to filter your blogs for fearing of boring readers  â€“ though maybe that is because the technical ability to do that is simply beyond me!</p>
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		<title>By: mir</title>
		<link>http://michelle.kasprzak.ca/blog/archives/108/comment-page-1#comment-270</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 01:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not neccessarily a question of whether you are boring me or not. 

Readers always have to decide what they are trying to get out of a text themselves. I actually read this post and my thoughts were more in the &quot;Oh look mks making some friends in the UK I am so glad..&quot; direction. 

So if you had decided (with the help of technology) that perhaps I wasn&#039;t interested in the small web I might not have seen this even though my real interest was seeing the new names showing up in your comment thread.  

In the same vien; 

You should stop worrying about being boring Mk. Interesting people are interesting even when  they are &quot;being boring&quot; as the Pet Shop Boys have so aptly demonstrated.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not neccessarily a question of whether you are boring me or not. </p>
<p>Readers always have to decide what they are trying to get out of a text themselves. I actually read this post and my thoughts were more in the &quot;Oh look mks making some friends in the UK I am so glad..&quot; direction. </p>
<p>So if you had decided (with the help of technology) that perhaps I wasn&#8217;t interested in the small web I might not have seen this even though my real interest was seeing the new names showing up in your comment thread.  </p>
<p>In the same vien; </p>
<p>You should stop worrying about being boring Mk. Interesting people are interesting even when  they are &quot;being boring&quot; as the Pet Shop Boys have so aptly demonstrated.</p>
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		<title>By: neuro</title>
		<link>http://michelle.kasprzak.ca/blog/archives/108/comment-page-1#comment-269</link>
		<dc:creator>neuro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 14:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BBC had no problems blocking foreign IPs from streaming broadcasts of The IT Crowd, because Channel Four did them, not the BBC :)

Sorry to be pedantic, and don&#039;t listen to anything Dougie says - he&#039;s a troublemaker :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BBC had no problems blocking foreign IPs from streaming broadcasts of The IT Crowd, because Channel Four did them, not the BBC <img src='http://michelle.kasprzak.ca/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sorry to be pedantic, and don&#8217;t listen to anything Dougie says &#8211; he&#8217;s a troublemaker <img src='http://michelle.kasprzak.ca/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Clarice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 11:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Rob.  The only thing that&#039;s occurred to me as a shameful omission is our grandparents, who do not have internet access - the posts are too many and too bantering for them all to be printed out and taken round to them.  As the current population ages, I feel sure it will be great for housebound eighty-year-olds to still be able to participate in communities via the internet, but for today&#039;s 80-year-olds, learning a new technology, which isn&#039;t just about literacy and an email address, but also about computer literacy, might be beyond them.  It&#039;s sad that they should be penalised or miss out just because they were born too soon.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Rob.  The only thing that&#8217;s occurred to me as a shameful omission is our grandparents, who do not have internet access &#8211; the posts are too many and too bantering for them all to be printed out and taken round to them.  As the current population ages, I feel sure it will be great for housebound eighty-year-olds to still be able to participate in communities via the internet, but for today&#8217;s 80-year-olds, learning a new technology, which isn&#8217;t just about literacy and an email address, but also about computer literacy, might be beyond them.  It&#8217;s sad that they should be penalised or miss out just because they were born too soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 17:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing: I don&#039;t particularly have a problem with content on this blog or any other that isn&#039;t directly relevant to me.  There is no need to implement clever IP scanning when my own eyes will scan a post!

A good, relevant title will let me know what the content is, and I&#039;ll manually click on to something else if I know it is not going to affect me.  If I have time I may read it anyway.  Either way, the choice lies with me, leaving the blog owner to concentrate on providing the content that they wish.  

Part of the essence of blogs is that they are personal things.  There&#039;s no suggestion that the reader should dicate editorial content in a manner that may be relevant to the MSM.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing: I don&#8217;t particularly have a problem with content on this blog or any other that isn&#8217;t directly relevant to me.  There is no need to implement clever IP scanning when my own eyes will scan a post!</p>
<p>A good, relevant title will let me know what the content is, and I&#8217;ll manually click on to something else if I know it is not going to affect me.  If I have time I may read it anyway.  Either way, the choice lies with me, leaving the blog owner to concentrate on providing the content that they wish.  </p>
<p>Part of the essence of blogs is that they are personal things.  There&#8217;s no suggestion that the reader should dicate editorial content in a manner that may be relevant to the MSM.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://michelle.kasprzak.ca/blog/archives/108/comment-page-1#comment-266</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 16:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding access, in the case of the &#039;Enmeshment&#039; Yahoo Group, most people find that *too much* access is the problem.  You can choose to receive a daily digest, or read them all as they come in.  Interestingly, it is the older gneration who are most prolific on the reading and writing on posts!

For my tenement group (which is btw the only one which I, personally, maintain), disseminating major decisions and essential information via a printed letter is easy - I know where everyone lives!

This is not so easy when alternative methods of communication are not available.  But surely there comes a point where you need *some* kind of technology or tool in order to participate.  We teach people to read for that reason, and everyone has a postcode for that reason too.  I don&#039;t have a problem with putting in some basic, minimum requirements for participation.  Literacy, and an e-mail address seem pretty good low-watermarks for the kind of communication we do (as you say, that includes homeless people, and the disabled).  If you fail to use these methods, you simply are not communicating, and will be penalised as a result... just as you&#039;ll begin to lose friends when you fail to return their calls.

To repeat the point above, with reference to my relations on a Gap Year in Africa - The problem may not be lack of access, but too much!  Sometimes, its nice to get away from it all.  In the past, you could simply NOT pick up your phone and people would assume you weren&#039;t in the house.  Failure to respond to a text message or mobie phone voice-mail within a certain time is seen as disrespectful.  We may need to go into communications black-spots, in African plains or Scottish Islands, just to get away from it all.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding access, in the case of the &#8216;Enmeshment&#8217; Yahoo Group, most people find that *too much* access is the problem.  You can choose to receive a daily digest, or read them all as they come in.  Interestingly, it is the older gneration who are most prolific on the reading and writing on posts!</p>
<p>For my tenement group (which is btw the only one which I, personally, maintain), disseminating major decisions and essential information via a printed letter is easy &#8211; I know where everyone lives!</p>
<p>This is not so easy when alternative methods of communication are not available.  But surely there comes a point where you need *some* kind of technology or tool in order to participate.  We teach people to read for that reason, and everyone has a postcode for that reason too.  I don&#8217;t have a problem with putting in some basic, minimum requirements for participation.  Literacy, and an e-mail address seem pretty good low-watermarks for the kind of communication we do (as you say, that includes homeless people, and the disabled).  If you fail to use these methods, you simply are not communicating, and will be penalised as a result&#8230; just as you&#8217;ll begin to lose friends when you fail to return their calls.</p>
<p>To repeat the point above, with reference to my relations on a Gap Year in Africa &#8211; The problem may not be lack of access, but too much!  Sometimes, its nice to get away from it all.  In the past, you could simply NOT pick up your phone and people would assume you weren&#8217;t in the house.  Failure to respond to a text message or mobie phone voice-mail within a certain time is seen as disrespectful.  We may need to go into communications black-spots, in African plains or Scottish Islands, just to get away from it all.</p>
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		<title>By: MK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 18:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi all
Yes, I do worry about boring people.... you know, the typical stereotype of the blogger who is completely self-absorbed and annoying, yammers on about useless stuff... But IP filtering based on presumed boredom is a pretty extreme response.

As for the access issue that Dougie brings up, I think that while it&#039;s a valid point it also is less of an issue than we might think it is at first blush... if people want connectivity they will find it, somehow.  I was surprised to discover (this is back in Canada) that many homeless teens have email addresses, but then I was told &quot;well of course, there is free internet access at the library&quot; and it all made sense.  It would be, in fact, easier for a homeless person to have an email address than a mobile phone.  

Homeless people can be bloggers too, as we can see with the UK&#039;s very own &lt;a href=&quot;//wanderingscribe.blogspot.com/&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wandering Scribe&lt;/a&gt;.

This is not to downplay the access issue but rather to point out that if you wanna be online, you will find a way to get online.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi all<br />
Yes, I do worry about boring people&#8230;. you know, the typical stereotype of the blogger who is completely self-absorbed and annoying, yammers on about useless stuff&#8230; But IP filtering based on presumed boredom is a pretty extreme response.</p>
<p>As for the access issue that Dougie brings up, I think that while it&#8217;s a valid point it also is less of an issue than we might think it is at first blush&#8230; if people want connectivity they will find it, somehow.  I was surprised to discover (this is back in Canada) that many homeless teens have email addresses, but then I was told &quot;well of course, there is free internet access at the library&quot; and it all made sense.  It would be, in fact, easier for a homeless person to have an email address than a mobile phone.  </p>
<p>Homeless people can be bloggers too, as we can see with the UK&#8217;s very own <a href="//wanderingscribe.blogspot.com/&quot;" rel="nofollow">Wandering Scribe</a>.</p>
<p>This is not to downplay the access issue but rather to point out that if you wanna be online, you will find a way to get online.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 17:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dougie
In our &quot;Enmeshment&quot; group, there are no family members who don&#039;t have easy internet access, although some travelling in africa don&#039;t get online very often.  And there is one baby.  I don&#039;t know how the travellers feel about it, but I suspect they have/are having way too much fun doing other things to worry about it.  

I live in a development of 70 flats, of whom only about 10 are so far partakers of the yahoo group I set up, though all were invited.  Of those who haven&#039;t joined the group, I don&#039;t think they know what they are missing, frankly, and I guess it&#039;s their loss.  Living in central London with an internet cafe round every corner, one couldn&#039;t argue that they didn&#039;t have easy access if they wanted it.  In terms of keeping them in the loop, on &quot;important&quot; matters, there is a management company and freehold company for the official stuff, and when we have our summer garden party, those not online will be creating extra work for me, who will no doubt have to make and deliver paper invitations.  As far as discussions about broken security gates, burglaries, tree-pruning, car-parking and the like, the non-members will presumably get their info by word-of-mouth like they always have.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dougie<br />
In our &quot;Enmeshment&quot; group, there are no family members who don&#8217;t have easy internet access, although some travelling in africa don&#8217;t get online very often.  And there is one baby.  I don&#8217;t know how the travellers feel about it, but I suspect they have/are having way too much fun doing other things to worry about it.  </p>
<p>I live in a development of 70 flats, of whom only about 10 are so far partakers of the yahoo group I set up, though all were invited.  Of those who haven&#8217;t joined the group, I don&#8217;t think they know what they are missing, frankly, and I guess it&#8217;s their loss.  Living in central London with an internet cafe round every corner, one couldn&#8217;t argue that they didn&#8217;t have easy access if they wanted it.  In terms of keeping them in the loop, on &quot;important&quot; matters, there is a management company and freehold company for the official stuff, and when we have our summer garden party, those not online will be creating extra work for me, who will no doubt have to make and deliver paper invitations.  As far as discussions about broken security gates, burglaries, tree-pruning, car-parking and the like, the non-members will presumably get their info by word-of-mouth like they always have.</p>
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		<title>By: Dougie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dougie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 13:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to know what those who are in the respective &#039;interest group&#039; by way of flat location or family ties but have no easy internet access feel about discussions going on within these online forums. What methods are used to keep these people (if they exist) in the loop?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to know what those who are in the respective &#8216;interest group&#8217; by way of flat location or family ties but have no easy internet access feel about discussions going on within these online forums. What methods are used to keep these people (if they exist) in the loop?</p>
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		<title>By: Clarice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 11:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just out of interest, I notice on yahoo groups there are a gazillion family forums just like ours, and not all of which are closed - http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/dir/Family___Home/Families/Individual_Families/

Also, I don&#039;t think you&#039;d need another blog for the Montreal stuff, the categorisation feature of blogs means that people who don&#039;t care about Montreal are free not to click on the Montreal category link.  And people who don&#039;t have a personal interest, but still want to know what interests you, or what&#039;s going on in far-flung places, then they&#039;re free to browse it if they want to.  

I think the issue is about your fear of boring people, which personally, I think is their lookout.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of interest, I notice on yahoo groups there are a gazillion family forums just like ours, and not all of which are closed &#8211; <a href="http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/dir/Family___Home/Families/Individual_Families/" rel="nofollow">http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/dir/Family___Home/Families/Individual_Families/</a></p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;d need another blog for the Montreal stuff, the categorisation feature of blogs means that people who don&#8217;t care about Montreal are free not to click on the Montreal category link.  And people who don&#8217;t have a personal interest, but still want to know what interests you, or what&#8217;s going on in far-flung places, then they&#8217;re free to browse it if they want to.  </p>
<p>I think the issue is about your fear of boring people, which personally, I think is their lookout.</p>
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